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One for Neibaur re: Columbia Comedy Shorts
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Spelvin
2004-07-23 05:42:09 UTC
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OK, this might be the most off topic and trivial question of the month,
but here goes.

I recently read an interview with Penny Singleton from 1958. She was
asked how many Blondie movies she made, and she positively replied,
"44."

I thought, "H'mn. Wait a minute here."

Every reference book, and my complete collection of them, shows there
were 28 Blondie movies. I could understand that she might be off by one
or two ... but sixteen?

Then I thought about that number, sixteen. That's two times eight.

Columbia's comedy shorts, including our beloved Stooges, were done
at the rate of eight a year. (By the way, in order to get eight a year
for the Stooges, and not seven one year and nine the next, you have to
realize that the movie "season" in those days ran from August-July.
Line them up that way, and it's eight a year, every year, except when
Curly got sick. But I digress.)

Anyway, Columbia's shorts were done eight a year. The Blondie feature
films were dropped for two years from 1943-45. Aha! I thought. Could
it be? Could it be that during those two years Columbia converted
Blondie from feature status to short subject status, and Singleton, Lake
and the Pups made 16 short Blondie films (two-reelers, presumably)?

So I scurried over to my Columbia reference books, fully expecting to
see 16 Blondie short subjects around 1943-45, proving Singleton's 44 to
be correct -- but I found nothing.

My question is -- are we SURE there aren't 16 Blondie short subjects
that fell through the cracks? If there positively weren't, how did
Singleton come up with 44, which is so far off the correct total of 28?
(She wasn't thinking of the 1957 Blondie TV series, since she wasn't in
it, although Arthur Lake was.)

After you answer this question, I can get on with my life!

Spelvin
James Neibaur
2004-07-23 11:26:40 UTC
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Post by Spelvin
After you answer this question, I can get on with my life!
Penny was wrong.

There were 28 Blondie features. No more, no less. There were no short
subjects. The two year gap was because the series had been cancelled, but
it got picked up again afterward.

They never made a short subject Blondie series with anyone that I know of,
let alone with Penny and Arthur (not counting the TV series with Arthur and
Pamela Britton).

I hope this helps

JN
Spelvin
2004-07-23 14:37:38 UTC
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Post by Spelvin
After you answer this question, I can get on with my life!
Penny was wrong.
There were 28 Blondie features. No more, no less. There were no
short subjects. The two year gap was because the series had been
cancelled, but it got picked up again afterward.
They never made a short subject Blondie series with anyone that I know
of, let alone with Penny and Arthur (not counting the TV series with
Arthur and Pamela Britton).
I hope this helps
JN
Yes ... and I'm sure you're right. It's just so odd that Singleton was
so far off the mark, and that difference of 16 and that two-year gap got
me thinking -- wildly, I guess.

It just shows you can't believe what you read in interviews. How does
one find out for positively sure, without relying on other books, what
Columbia's short subject output was? Is there an "official" list
somewhere, maybe at AMPAS?

Spelvin
James Neibaur
2004-07-23 19:17:02 UTC
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Post by Spelvin
How does
one find out for positively sure, without relying on other books, what
Columbia's short subject output was? Is there an "official" list
somewhere, maybe at AMPAS?
You'd have to ask Ed Watz or Ted Okuda that one (Ed is online, Ted is not).
I do know that they worked hard and uncovered anything and everything that
was released by the Columbia shorts department.

JN
SRydzewski
2004-07-29 23:15:46 UTC
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Spelvin,

I'm thinking Penny mis-heard your question. Maybe she thought you asked how
many films did she make(?).
I just checked the IMDb and see that Penny worked in 52 different films - but
take away 5 because she did voice overs in some Jetsons features. So that's 47
films. A figure a lot closer to your magic number.
Opinions?

SteveR
Slapstick!

<< >> After you answer this question, I can get on with my life!
Post by James Neibaur
Penny was wrong.
There were 28 Blondie features. No more, no less. There were no
short subjects. The two year gap was because the series had been
cancelled, but it got picked up again afterward.
They never made a short subject Blondie series with anyone that I know
of, let alone with Penny and Arthur (not counting the TV series with
Arthur and Pamela Britton).
I hope this helps
JN
Yes ... and I'm sure you're right. It's just so odd that Singleton was
so far off the mark, and that difference of 16 and that two-year gap got
me thinking -- wildly, I guess.

It just shows you can't believe what you read in interviews. How does
one find out for positively sure, without relying on other books, what
Columbia's short subject output was? Is there an "official" list
somewhere, maybe at AMPAS?

Spelvin >><BR><BR>
sparky spiegelman
2004-07-30 06:39:27 UTC
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Post by James Neibaur
Post by Spelvin
After you answer this question, I can get on with my life!
Penny was wrong.
There were 28 Blondie features. No more, no less. There were no short
subjects. The two year gap was because the series had been cancelled, but
it got picked up again afterward.
They never made a short subject Blondie series with anyone that I know of,
let alone with Penny and Arthur (not counting the TV series with Arthur and
Pamela Britton).
I hope this helps
JN
Penny and Arthur were on the Blondie radio series too and that lasted
for 10 seasons (although Penny bailed out of the last season). Plus
Arthur and Penny were teamed for guest shots like on the Abbott and
Costello radio show.

Wasn't there a lot of friction between Penny and Arthur? (Maybe it
seemed like 44 films!).

Sparky Spiegelman
Chatsworth, CA
James Neibaur
2004-07-30 10:58:11 UTC
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Wasn't there a lot of friction between Penny and Arthur?
Yes. Ed Bernds told me they used to count their lines and complain if one
had more than the other.

JN
RWF
2004-07-30 11:52:22 UTC
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Post by James Neibaur
Post by sparky spiegelman
Wasn't there a lot of friction between Penny and Arthur?
Yes. Ed Bernds told me they used to count their lines and complain if one
had more than the other.
For me, watching ANY of the films in the Blondie series is a painful
experience.
It amazes me how popular the series was!
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James Neibaur
2004-07-30 15:00:45 UTC
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Post by RWF
For me, watching ANY of the films in the Blondie series is a painful
experience.
It amazes me how popular the series was!
I think it was a family-oriented thing that wartime and immediate post-war
audiences kind of enjoyed, but I don't think its popularity was any great
shakes. I don't think it is "painful," but I do believe it has dated. I
think the best ones are the later slapsticky ones that Ed Bernds directed.
The earlier Baby Dumpling ones are pretty difficult to sit through.

As you know, since you have the best Bowery Boys website on the internet,
that the Blondie series was nowhere near as popular as the Bowery Boys were
(or the East Side Kids for that matter).

JN

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